Changes for Elimination final V St Kilda

[neilfws]

Herald Sun has thoughts on ins/outs in their finals preview. They reckon we're "close to our best side."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226128250143

Then again, despite listing the game as being at Etihad, the rest of their notes are about ANZ so what do they know...

[Bexl]

Doc Larkins says Reid unlikely to play this week with calf injury. May be ok following week if we get through.

On the TV after the game Goodes said that Reid and Grundy both would have played if it was a final.

[sidswan]

What did you good people think of Monty's "tackle" on ROK? ROK looked very p'd off about it at the time....apologies if this is discussed elsewhere.

[S120]

Nothing wrong with Monty's hit on ROK. Great hit in fact. Perfectly legal.

[Nich]

I just can't wait to see guys like Parker/Rohan playing finals footy. I think they'll both be fantastic September kids in the coming years. Ultra competitors.

[Go Swannies]

I think the chairing off at fulltime suggests Tadhg has played his last game and it was decided before yesterday's game that it would be the case.

I'm with ugg, even though he didn't hand the Brions a couple of goals, Mattner was giving away enough for all of them, he didn't do anything that suggested he is anywhere near the player we know, love and need.

I think he was simply being chaired off after his likely last game at his home ground. He said last week that he hoped to play deep into finals. And I thought he played his best game for ages - including some run and dash and none of those stupid decisions under pressure that I've suggested he should be dropped for. We're not Brisbane - he will play I reckon.

And Marty was up against it without Reg, the other bookend in defence. Did well in the circumstances. It looked to me like Hanners butchered the ball more.

[sidswan]

Re the Monty tackle on ROK.. Paul Roos (from his commentary) seemed to think it was a bit unnecessary, he said something like "'well one of the players would hope to be playing next week and the other one wouldn't have been anyway".

[janem]

I thought Jesse was ok yesterday. I haven't been a huge fan as he has appeared to be lazy and not always willing to do the basics to me. I noted a couple of times yesterday his defence/hassling pressure was really good.
Is it a technique issue that he needs to work on when he is in front position all ready for an above head mark, with his hands on the ball and he drops it? This also happened a couple of times yesterday and is not a first. Maybe he needs to invest in a pair of gloves..

[mcs]

Gee Reid out for next week will be a massive blow if it happens - we desperately need him in the team, for our forward structure alone. How amazing it is to say that about a guy with 20 odd games under his belt, but its completely true.

The problem I had janem with Jesse yesterday and its the same old complaint with him - he does sometimes do good defensive/hassling pressure etc plays - but then 2 minutes later he'll just be utterly lazy and not work hard enough, which had a few times yesterday. I think he just sneaks into our best 22 at the moment, especially with the emergence of the Strutter, but he needs to keep working hard throughout a game when not rucking (which I think he did well at yesterday - that's one area where noone can complain I don't think). Maybe its just a fitness thing that might improve with some more targeted training next pre-season (I doubt either the club nor him would have expected him to be doing as much rucking as he has done this season for us.)

[Industrial Fan]

Nobody has backed Jets more than me on this board, but his efforts yesterday when he came on were very poor. I was so disappointed.

IMO he's cooked for 2011, it's been a long season for even the mature players. He needs to work hard in the off season and come out next year all guns blazing, when no doubt I again will go on defending him. There is soooo much upside if we can get him up and running...

There was a contest on the wing where he was pointing for the ball to go over his head to a contest. He then got beaten to the contest and lost the crumbs when he had the legs to get front a square. Basic footy and his frame and stamina were no excuse there.

Very poor effort.

[Melbournehammer]

There was a contest on the wing where he was pointing for the ball to go over his head to a contest. He then got beaten to the contest and lost the crumbs when he had the legs to get front a square. Basic footy and his frame and stamina were no excuse there.

Very poor effort.

So he got beaten. People forget that fosdike took a couple of years to make it and never had a super reliable kick. but he filled a critical role for us for years after that. We just want jetta to be a ten year player who kicks 20 goals a season and makes a contest regularly. I reckon his defensive efforts are getting better and better. And I am in the he offers something that Parker, Bolton, bird, etc simply don't. We will need him in years to come. Can we stop bagging him then ?

[janem]

There was a contest on the wing where he was pointing for the ball to go over his head to a contest. He then got beaten to the contest and lost the crumbs when he had the legs to get front a square. Basic footy and his frame and stamina were no excuse there.

Very poor effort.

He has obviously always had natural talent. But to me he has never had the fire in his eyes. He is another lazy one not willing to do the basics and put his body on the line (excuse all the cliches). Both he and Jesse have huge potential and obviously everyone has high hopes for them. Can those things be taught? Mmm will keep my fingers crossed for 2012.

[swansrob]

Is it a technique issue that he needs to work on when he is in front position all ready for an above head mark, with his hands on the ball and he drops it? This also happened a couple of times yesterday and is not a first. Maybe he needs to invest in a pair of gloves..

Didn't Jesse wear gloves when he thrown into the FF position originally?

[dimelb]

Not sure laziness is the issue with either Jesse or Jet, although I can see why people might think so. I suspect in both cases it is uncertainty and a tendency to second-guess. I'd like to see them given free rein to make a few mistakes but in the process back their judgement; I think they may both learn quicker if they had that assurance. The natural players don't do much second-guessing: Hannebery, Rohan, Spangher come to mind.

[Hartijon]

Too late now! I just wish we had tried Seaby as a forward/ruckman instead of Jesse. What did we have to lose? Don't know the outcome but I would have liked to see it tried.