It's going well for GWS and AFL

[Melbourne_Blood]

Thanks for sharing XS. That sounds like it would be pretty special to be a part of. Interacting with the players on a regular basis, I can only imagine how awesome that would be. Hope it's not enough to turn too many of our Sydney swans into Giants though.... Being a cats supporter is Sydney must be a pretty lonely existence.

[Xie Shan]

This is a great post from the other board from a Sydney-based Geelong fan explaining how he has come to support GWS. I thought it was worth sharing, because it sums up everything that's great about our game. I would imagine that there would have been a fair few on this board who came to support the Swans this way after having supported Victorian clubs before moving to Sydney.

My journey's far from unique among Giants. I love Geelong: the city, the culture, the way that the Cats are run. I love the humility of the club, the players & the fans, and they really do "play the game the way it should be played". It's a fantastic organisation at every level, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them surge in the second half of the season right through to another premiership. I will never, ever bag the Cats.

But I live in Sydney. I don't have access to either RuperTel or 7Mite, so my only chance of actually watching the Cats as they play will be one Friday night in late June (and as I've just realised that I've already missed the cut-off to give 4 weeks notice in order to get seating in the Cats' area for that SCG game, even that lone chance has evaporated). So I won't get to use my interstate membership to attend a single Geelong game this year.

I live in Sydney. Every Thursday night after work I public transport my way out to Breakfast Point and help make the cheer squad banner. And since the Bullies' game in Canberra, I've been there on the field holding it up as the players charge through it for every 'home' game (plus for the Brisbane away game, thanks to a flukey winning of a Virgin Airlines competition). A large number of the club's managers, admin staff & players come out to those banner making sessions and chat with us or actually get down on hands and knees and help make the banner. Yes, even players (how many other teams can claim the same?). There are three of the regular AFL team with whom I am on first name basis (but it's not just me, as all of the core Cheer Squad members have struck up similar friendships with various players).

I am very actively involved annoying the crap out of two superb staffers (all credit to Andrea & Kirsty for their infinite tolerance) with a barrage of suggestions each week, and they even act on some of them (I played a very minor part in getting the 6 big flags which debuted in the cheer squad against Essendon made up). I've spoken to Sheeds on a number of occasions, and Choc a couple of times (again, a highly unexceptional situation for any Giants fan), and like so many Giants' members, I've had the chances to talk to anybody and everybody within the club after games at the club functions. As per the GWS membership ads, we fans really do "own this club". GWS is not a 'family club': it's a family.

Now as much as I love Geelong - and I do still love Geelong - there is no way that I can have these sort of experiences with the Cats while I live in Sydney (there isn't even a SydCats supporters' group). I actually feel as though my minor volunteer activities with GWS are actually helping to spread the love of our great indigenous game throughout what has traditionally been an Aussie Rules no-go zone. I deeply believe that, through the Giants (and the Suns), a group of passionate True Believers can spread the AFL to every last previously untouched corner of this wide brown land, and that when we do inevitably succeed in establishing our club, the entire AFL, including my blessed Cats, will benefit.

My closest friendships are rapidly becoming those I have with my fellow members of the GWS cheer squad currently sharing my odyssey. I have been told at work that I am looking fitter, stronger and happier than anybody there has ever seen me (and I've been in my current office for six years).

I can't have these experiences, nor establish these relationships with Geelong. So I guess that I have become a Giant. Albeit, one who will always have a very soft spot for the Cats.

[BeeEmmAre]

Reading the article it appears they will be going to 4 home games in Canberra next year, so you can almost bank on the draw next year being Rd 1 at Skoda before the show (depending when Easter falls I guess), 2nd home game in Canberra, 3rd home game v Swans at ANZ, 4th home game in Canberra and finally back at Skoda about Rd 9 after the ground is fixed up following the fun and games of the show.

BBB, you may be right about the venues for their early home games, but they are already at four home games in Canberra this season. The number includes the NAB Cup game they play there, i.e. three H&A games and one NAB game = 4 home games per year in Canberra. That agreement is why the Giants were in Canberra in pre-season on the same day as we played a practice match at Blacktown.

[Norris Lurker]

I think one of the problems GWS have had, which is really not good enough, was availability of training grounds. Due to the late finish of cricket, they were unable to train at Blacktown and had to move around a bit and train on two other local ovals, which also had problems IIRC. I apologise but I'm unable to recall which other training ovals they used but someone else will know.

Gipps Rd Oval at Greystanes was one, Bruce Purser Reserve at Rouse Hill was another. Sometimes the athletics track at Blacktown Olympic Park, or kick to kick around the baseball diamond. They have gym facilities at Blacktown and will still use those facilities - last year in the NEAFL, until the gym was finished, they were using Rooty Hill RSL's gym.

[ugg]

GWS had 4 'home grounds' thru necessity this year, but that will be back to 3 next year I'd imagine. It's doubtful they'll play at BOP next year, they were forced to play there this year due to Easter, Skoda not being ready and the AFL's desire for the standalone Rd 1 game.

Reading the article it appears they will be going to 4 home games in Canberra next year, so you can almost bank on the draw next year being Rd 1 at Skoda before the show (depending when Easter falls I guess), 2nd home game in Canberra, 3rd home game v Swans at ANZ, 4th home game in Canberra and finally back at Skoda about Rd 9 after the ground is fixed up following the fun and games of the show.

That's a pretty shambolic arrangement for GWS if they have to wait until Round 9 every year because of the Easter Show, before playing their first game at their true home ground.

[GoSouth33]

I went to the game with two others on Sat night and really enjoyed the look of the new Showground Stadium and it is a great viewing ground. The crowd number was a touch disappointing and clearly a lot of people didn't turn up. Where we sat there were rows of seats with cards taped to them. The cards had names on them. Those would be reserved seats (and I assume paid for in some of the membership categories) but the people didn't turn up for whatever reason. For people that purchased a three and five game package (unreserved) it was necessary to pre-book a seat for this game and the Collingwood game which are designated as blockbuster games. Effectively, everyone has to have a reserved seat for these two games. For other games, you just turn up and scan your card. Perhaps this proved too cumbersome for some people.
In my case, I had to leave home before the end of the Swans game on the teev: midway through the third quarter (which felt strange because I always watch games to the bitter end even when we're getting done!).
I want GWS to succeed as a footy team and I'm more than happy for them to be my second team. Unfortunately, for most of this year and next they'll lose many more than they'll win and games will continue to be one-sided against stronger opponents.
When they do start winning and the Showground gets anything like its full capacity (I think around 25K) the place is really gonna rock!

[ShockOfHair]

Thanks guys. I don't have a problem with GWS moving to a new home - just had trouble piecing it together from that snarky story.

Looks like after a shambolic start off-field they're getting their act together.

[Triple B]

GWS had 4 'home grounds' thru necessity this year, but that will be back to 3 next year I'd imagine. It's doubtful they'll play at BOP next year, they were forced to play there this year due to Easter, Skoda not being ready and the AFL's desire for the standalone Rd 1 game.

Reading the article it appears they will be going to 4 home games in Canberra next year, so you can almost bank on the draw next year being Rd 1 at Skoda before the show (depending when Easter falls I guess), 2nd home game in Canberra, 3rd home game v Swans at ANZ, 4th home game in Canberra and finally back at Skoda about Rd 9 after the ground is fixed up following the fun and games of the show.

[Lucky Knickers]

I think one of the problems GWS have had, which is really not good enough, was availability of training grounds. Due to the late finish of cricket, they were unable to train at Blacktown and had to move around a bit and train on two other local ovals, which also had problems IIRC. I apologise but I'm unable to recall which other training ovals they used but someone else will know.
I assume you are right that they are saying BOP, ANZ and Manuka for the sake of the article are "home grounds".
Their clubrooms, for those that haven't been out to BOP, are in demountables.
Good to see them at Skoda where they have access to the right level of facilities.

[Triple B]

It's pretty simple, although conveniently not explained in the article. All the grounds there are cricket grounds and cannot be trained on during the summer, just the same as the Swans can't train on the SCG unless they want to run and kick around the roped off centre square.

Make no mistake, prior to Bus Stop Oval, it was a giant PIA for the Swans who did all there training prior to the cricket season ending either at an oval in Centennial Park, an oval in the Army barracks at Malabar(?) or up until the RSA moved to Homebush an occasional kick around in the RAS arena in the showgrounds.

That article is just an excuse to put the boot into GWS.

I guess we now know WHTG is really Caroline Wilson...

[ShockOfHair]

I've failed GWS 101. Help me understand this story:

GWS abandoned its training facility at Blacktown - is that the Blacktown Oval where we sometimes play NAB Cup? Or somewhere completely different?

Skoda is the Giants' fourth home ground. What were the other three? ANZ Stadium, Blacktown and Manuka?

GREATER Western Sydney has defended its decision to walk away from its founding home less than halfway through its first AFL Season. Giants chief executive Dave Matthews said last night that the club would have struggled to retain its premium draft picks had the club remained at Blacktown.

GWS defends club's move to new ground

[Xie Shan]

I went to the game on Saturday night and it was actually OK. There was a fair bit of red and black around, but most of the fans who were there were generally pretty appreciative of the young Giants' efforts, and they were generally competitive apart from late in the game when the Bombers got away from them. Seats very close to the action, the surface was better than I thought considering it's not been that long since the Easter Show (and certainly better than the surface at neighbouring ANZ stadium).

I might have an explanation for the lower than expected turnout. I bought a 3-match package from Ticketmaster for the Essendon, Richmond and Collingwood games, I got an email on the Tuesday before the game from the Giants saying that they would post the tickets to me and to expect them by Friday at the latest. I receive another email on Thursday to say that they were sent via express post that day. Nothing came on Friday, I rang them and they said that they could re-print the tickets for me at the match day office on Saturday before the game, which they did, no dramas. The tickets that they had posted to me eventually arrived today... I wonder how many others bought tickets for Saturday's match and were in the same boat. Was surprised at how late in the week they were sent out, especially as I'd purchased them online some three weeks ago.

[Wardy]

Exactly all elite athletes lead insular pampered lives - at least these kids are actually being looked after and mentored by people like Sheeds I' d be more than happy as a parent. And you can't tell me that the magpies are going it tough the Lexus centre (the car that every discerning Collingwood supporter drives ) that joint is thd Taj Mahal of training venues and in reality the only team that may do it rough is probably North at Arden st. so to say that GWS are the only pampered club is fanciful.

[Lucky Knickers]

It kind of feels like Abe Simpson has created a RWO account.

Gold!

I think the idea of lodging them all together is a great idea for the young kids.
The Swans do something similar with the players all sharing accommodation and they all live a stones throw from each other.
Given Sydney rents are so ridiculous it would be very difficult for the youngsters of both clubs to fund themselves in appropriate accommodation. Not least demonstrating to landlords the necessary tenanting experience to secure a property in high demand areas.
I'm not sure what the accommodation arrangements of the club really have on the argument of whether GWS will be a success or not but I think it smart man management.
The reality is all professional sports men are pampered. All they do is focus on themselves; what they're eating, how fast they're running, what their skinfolds are, what little niggles they have or big niggles; what can they do to eek the last bit out of their body to improve performance. It a very insular world.

[Wardy]

Its one of the points and its the expensive one and not the cheaper one.

They all live in one or two blocks..kinda like a rich boarding school except with more freedom.

They are basically pampered.

well so what??? If it was my son playing for them I would prefer that they looked after and supervised him and his team mates particularly if they are from interstate. These are kids and they are probably first time out of home being given an amazing opportunity. They are doing this right and it's the complete opposite to when the Swans to Sydney. I think that's what pisses you off more than anything. Times and organizations are under far greater scrutiny now than they were in 1982. Duty of care or corporate governance didn't exist in 1982 - thd AFL have had to move with the times. And they must be doing something right because it runs rings around every other sporting organization in this country and they are certainly cashed up. It's 2012 not 1982. Save yourself some angst don't worry about it you arent going to change it and constantly hoping for it to fail is a bit sad really. Life's too short to be that cranky about a footy club.