Mummy Crosses the Bridge

[Meg]

Ludwig, do you know if "match the offer' means pre COLA (which logically it should) or post the add-on of COLA? That is, could Hawthorn keep Buddy paying less in total than the Swans' offer with the difference being the COLA which is not paid in Melbourne?

[Ludwig]

Sorry but you are wrong. We have to give something to the Hawks as he is a Restricted free Agent. The Hawks can make an offer and if not successful then the league decide the compensation Hawks will get. The same applies to GWS in the Mummy deal. We can offer him an altermative deal but if he turns us down we have the right to compensation. But both Hawks and Swans should not hold their collective breaths as the compensation so far has been pretty feeble.

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I think you are completely incorrect on these matters. In the unlikely event that Hawthorn match the offer, we have already said that we will not up the ante and he will stay at Hawthorn. As a restricted free agent, the compensation to the Hawks is made by the AFL, not the Swans.

As for Mummy, we could always offer him a contract, but if he wants to go to GWS they can get him through the PSD pick 1, and we would get nothing for him. We can hope for something by doing a trade, but GWS has all the cards, except the one that says that they may want to remain on good trading terms with the Swans. As Mummy is not a free agent, there is no AFL compensation for the Swans.

[wolftone57]

We get absolutely nothing for Mummy because GWS have first pick in Pre Season draft....then again Buddy costs nothing either.

Sorry but you are wrong. We have to give something to the Hawks as he is a Restricted free Agent. The Hawks can make an offer and if not successful then the league decide the compensation Hawks will get. The same applies to GWS in the Mummy deal. We can offer him an altermative deal but if he turns us down we have the right to compensation. But both Hawks and Swans should not hold their collective breaths as the compensation so far has been pretty feeble.

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[QUOTE=liz;626589]Not sure about your sources of information, When we recruited him from Geelong, the deal was reported as $1m over 4 years (ie $250k a year) and even that caused an uproar that we were overpaying because he was on the Cats' rookie list at the time, earning next to nothing.

And where do you get your information about the deal that the Swans offered. Most reports indicate the Swans never really made him an offer. And now we have some idea of why.[/QUOTE}

The deal that was offered him was $600,000/yr over 3 years but he turned it down as he wanted a 4 year contract according to Melbourne Journos. This has been on the news for a while on SEN in Melbourne

[liz]

He would be on more than $600k/yr as he was on more than that at Sydney. Funny he wanted a 4 yr contract from us and we could only offer a 3 but he chose to go anyway. I think he always wanted to go. It is about seniority with him.

Not sure about your sources of information, When we recruited him from Geelong, the deal was reported as $1m over 4 years (ie $250k a year) and even that caused an uproar that we were overpaying because he was on the Cats' rookie list at the time, earning next to nothing.

And where do you get your information about the deal that the Swans offered. Most reports indicate the Swans never really made him an offer. And now we have some idea of why.

[wolftone57]

Shane Mumford has accepted an offer from the GWS Giants. Rumours are that the deal was a 3 year contract at 600 k per year.

I wonder what we will get for him. Maybe we can do a swap for Jaksch or Bruce. GWS are in he driver's seat having the PSD on their side.

He would be on more than $600k/yr as he was on more than that at Sydney. Funny he wanted a 4 yr contract from us and we could only offer a 3 but he chose to go anyway. I think he always wanted to go. It is about seniority with him.

[Ludwig]

Can't see the Swans playing silly buggers at the trade table regarding Mumford. They'll want to do the right thing by the player, even if they don't care about GWS. He's a part of Sydney's premiership tapestry, after all.

I would accept their 3 round pick, which would be around 37 or so, but a pick in the 50s is just not worth it. It's a bit of an insult. I'm resigned that he will go to the PSD. I'm happy for Mummy, but wouldn't look too kindly on GWS if that happened.

[liz]

Gws have said they have other plans for pick1 in the psd so I think we're probably in line for a reasonable trade. If we really wanted to ruin their plans we could refuse to trade and force him into the psd.......or are they just saying that?????

Can't see the Swans playing silly buggers at the trade table regarding Mumford. They'll want to do the right thing by the player, even if they don't care about GWS. He's a part of Sydney's premiership tapestry, after all.

[aardvark]

Hi all, surely one big question, who is going to ruck for swans?? Pyke is there, who's coming up ? Is LRT going to have a crack? goodsey used till he did his knee first time. I think letting mummy go is a mistake

Just remember Pyke played seniors 6~7 games into his first season. Taubert is the world's best ruck coach and has 5months to get Pat Mitchell up to speed. Naismith will benefit from a full preseason too.

[aardvark]

The only way we're getting anything is if GWS don't want to be hardasses, or if they're planning the PSD pick for someone else...

But good luck to him, we forced him out after all.

Gws have said they have other plans for pick1 in the psd so I think we're probably in line for a reasonable trade. If we really wanted to ruin their plans we could refuse to trade and force him into the psd.......or are they just saying that?????

[Mug Punter]

The only way we're getting anything is if GWS don't want to be hardasses, or if they're planning the PSD pick for someone else...

But good luck to him, we forced him out after all.

As long as it is fair. We will probably really only have two proper draft picks after we take Perris and upgrade four rookies so unless we get an upgrade of one of our two top picks then they can whistle in the wind and take their chances

I'm happy to let him go for free and for us to throw a further spanner into their works.

Reality will probably be that they trade 2/3 kids they really want to keep, get 2/3 journeymen and a heap of kids....

They should come good eventually but draft picks isn't enough alone. Think they just need to stay the course and wait for Boyd, Cameron and Patton to grow up - IF they can keep those three together then their side in three years is a frightening prospect.

If they add Mumford, Shaw, a key defender and a mid that would go halfway to them being competitive. Still reckon 4 wins will be a good result for them next year and they are miles behind GCS at the same stage

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I'd go with Pyke with KT providing support up front and LRT down back.

Problem will be if Pyke gets is injured, perhaps we draft KT in and bring Reid up from CHB. Naismith sounds like he may be a season off so I'd be tempted to go for an experienced ruckman for backup if we can afford one.

I agree with the Buddy deal but it certainly throws up a lot of issues.....

[Colclough]

Hi all, surely one big question, who is going to ruck for swans?? Pyke is there, who's coming up ? Is LRT going to have a crack? goodsey used till he did his knee first time. I think letting mummy go is a mistake

[R-1]

The only way we're getting anything is if GWS don't want to be hardasses, or if they're planning the PSD pick for someone else...

But good luck to him, we forced him out after all.

[Mug Punter]

Well done Mummy. Great 4 years at the Swans!

Congrats on the deal at GWS. He can keep living at his Bondi Apartment and hanging out with his Swans mates.

The drive to and from work will be a little longer, but he'll still have the summers in the Surf!

But does he get free sausages from the GWS BBQ??

[Matt80]

Well done Mummy. Great 4 years at the Swans!

Congrats on the deal at GWS. He can keep living at his Bondi Apartment and hanging out with his Swans mates.

The drive to and from work will be a little longer, but he'll still have the summers in the Surf!

[liz]

I wish him nothing but good luck, except when playing against us of course...

I'm with you TripleB, except that I'll come close to wishing him good luck even when he plays us. Especially until the Giants start becoming competitive. I hope he's happy with the outcome and excited by the prospect of working alongside some excellent young midfield talent.