Swans v Eagles march thread

[ugg]

Lecras has still never scored a goal against us for the Eagles. I think that is 9 games now ?

I heard 8 games before the game but this site says 8 now. He's kicked 0.7 against us.

AFL Tables - Mark LeCras - Stats - Statistics

[undy]

Lecras has still never scored a goal against us for the Eagles. I think that is 9 games now ?

[ugg]

Coaches votes

West Coast v Sydney Swans
10 Luke Parker (Syd)
8 Ben McGlynn (Syd)
5 Lewis Jetta (Syd)
3 Craig Bird (Syd)
2 Eric Mackenzie (WCE)
1 Matt Priddis (WCE)
1 Nick Smith (Syd)

Judging by Horse's press conference I think we can safely assume it was Simpson who gave Mackenzie the 2 votes.

[aardvark]

But it wouldn't surprise me if Parker ended up at the top of the list in 5 years. He's really a complete player.

but then he wouldn't be under 23 anymore.

[Ampersand]

I would change the word 'easily' to 'marginally'.

If I had to do a quick ranking it would be:
Fyfe
Heppell
Parker
David Swallow
Libbratore
O'Meara
Jackson McRae
Followed by:
Shiel, Treloar, Tyson

But it wouldn't surprise me if Parker ended up at the top of the list in 5 years. He's really a complete player.

I'll stick with "easily". He's a phenomenal player. I think Fyfe would have been one of the favourites for the Brownlow if he was eligible. Other than Heppell I don't think any of the others on your list would make much of a ripple in betting circles.

Not saying the medal is the be all and end all of player rankings but it does indicate week to week consistency which some of the players on your list sometimes lack.

Despite the team he plays for I'm really looking forward to seeing how Lachie Whitfield develops his game because he looks like he could be another young gun.

[Doctor J.]

Nah not at all...not in that sense anyway...Sydney supporters as a general rule aren't too bad but there's nothing I despise more than supporters that abuse their own players, or umpires, or opposition players.

Abusing oppo players and giving it to the umps is part of what being a supporter is all about. If that means you despise me, then...meh, I'll live with that. If everyone thought like you, there would be very little crowd noise at the footy.

And I assume when Kennedy cleaned up Jones, you sat there and said "bad luck old chap, bit unfortunate that you whacked young Jonesy in the head there".

[Conor_Dillon]

But don't you go overboard at a game? What's the difference?

Nah not at all...not in that sense anyway...Sydney supporters as a general rule aren't too bad but there's nothing I despise more than supporters that abuse their own players, or umpires, or opposition players.

[Nico]

It was a bit of a tongue in cheek comment, obviously it won't be banned - just think that people tend to go a bit overboard with the negativity in the heat of the moment. I guess that's the beauty of this forum though, everyone is rightfully entitled to their opinions.

But don't you go overboard at a game? What's the difference?

[aguy]

Would somebody, please, enlighten me what GAJ stands for?

Gary Ablett junior

[Zlatorog]

Edit- in an effort to not look like I was trying to single out Luke, I included Pendles who hasn't kicked enough goals. So 2 guys in the whole AFL, and the other one is GAJ!
Scott Pendlebury 28.9 disposals per game (13.2 contested), 6 tackles per game, 12 goals, 10 goal assists

Would somebody, please, enlighten me what GAJ stands for?

[Ludwig]

I love Parker but Nathan Fyfe is easily the best under 23 midfielder in the comp.

I would change the word 'easily' to 'marginally'.

If I had to do a quick ranking it would be:
Fyfe
Heppell
Parker
David Swallow
Libbratore
O'Meara
Jackson McRae
Followed by:
Shiel, Treloar, Tyson

But it wouldn't surprise me if Parker ended up at the top of the list in 5 years. He's really a complete player.

[stellation]

I think other young midfielders like Dylan Shiel and Dom Tyson are the equal of Luke Parker. The advantage that Parker has is that he plays for a top team who have midfielders like Kennedy, Jack, Hanners, Mckveigh and Jetta who need to be covered before Parker. Dom Tyson is already being heavily tagged because the Demons don't have the midfield depth.

I love Parker but Nathan Fyfe is easily the best under 23 midfielder in the comp.

Im not quite convinced he is, but he is certainly worthy of being in the discussion, along with some of the other names mentioned (Fyfe/Tyson etc).

Certainly a more than apt replacement for Jude, and he is only getting better week by week. I knew when I saw his first few games for the club back in 2011(?) that he was a good 'un - but his progress is even more rapid than I expected it to be.

I was being a tad silly with the suggestion, but really when you throw his name out there compared to the other youngsters in the comp he is genuinely in the discussion, even being mindful of Fyfe, and doesn't get anywhere near the recognition he deserves (or at least doesn't seem to, I don't pay that close attention to footy media anymore!).

If we just look at those mentioned here, and add in O'Meaera, you'd be surprised how their numbers stack up: click here

I get the idea that he has the benefit of playing with a strong midfield, but whilst that does mean he's less likely to get tagged it also means he's probably less likely to get a chance to really rack up numbers because he has less time spent in the middle. Fyfe has kicked 11.9 and has 5 goal assists, Luke has kicked 16.6 and has 10- that's a great output from 15 games.

By using a combination of stats I think you can get a look at guys who are damaging in the midfield and creating up forward at this point of the season. I've opted to use the following;
midfield: >20 disposals per game (included on the off chance a forward is clunking an absurd number of contested marks, I can't recall but think the resultant disposal counts as a contested one), >10 contested disposals per game,
forward: >15 goals, >10 goal assists
general: >5 tackles per game

Now, I didn't choose that combination of stats to just be able to make Luke look good, I think it's a reasonable spread. But they do make him look good. VERY good. Right now here are only 2 people in the AFL doing that, and it's pretty good company.
Gary Ablett 32.1 disposals per game (17.5 contested), 6.1 tackles per game, 24 goals, 18 goal assists
Luke Parker 24.9 dispsoals per game (11.4 contested), 5.7 tackles per game, 16 goals, 10 goal assists

Edit- in an effort to not look like I was trying to single out Luke, I included Pendles who hasn't kicked enough goals. So 2 guys in the whole AFL, and the other one is GAJ!
Scott Pendlebury 28.9 disposals per game (13.2 contested), 6 tackles per game, 12 goals, 10 goal assists

[sharp9]

Haha all good points! Some of it is fine, nothing wrong with constructive criticism and it's always good to go back and look at old opinions...but there has to be a line. The last thing we want to be is fans that turn on our boys as soon as something isn't going our way like certain other supporter groups of rival clubs.

Yes there is a line...venting doesn't cross it - microwaving your membership is a different story (or delivering a load of chicken hearts...,might be before your time that one.)

[Industrial Fan]

Did we get even one HTB decision in our favour?

Not in the second half. But I prefer the umps err on the side of not blowing the whistle. Particularly as far as HTB is concerned. There was one each way that clearly should have been paid but wasnt in the second half.

[barry]

hey, some of us have been posting negative dribble on here since 2002...it's won us 2 premierships :-) Where were you when we collectively decided that Ted Richards was a dud? See how that turned out? And what about when we gave up a prized number 5 pick for a young bloke some on here dubbed McHack? It was just the prompting he needed! I think the vent is good and actually find it fun to read back through posts after the game.

I think we are vindicated as none of these duds have won a brownlow or norm smith.

Although LRT gave us a scare in the 05 grand final