Rd 14 vs Brisbane Lions @ Gabba - Match Thread

[i'm-uninformed2]

I noticed a lot of criticism about Hayward this week. I watched the replay of the 1st quarter and couldn't find anything in particular to be critical about. He seemed to be covered by Brandon Starcevich, who had only 4 disposals and 1 mark for the game. Before I review the rest of the game, perhaps someone could point out to me some specifics I should look out for concerning Hayward.

Something missing from the dialogue this week are the calls to drop Cunningham, which had been persistent for weeks. What happened there? They seemed to have dried up.

As someone who has been happy to defend Hayward, and recognise the selfless, valuable role he often plays, I have been 'slightly' disappointed by his last stretch - bar the game against Carlton where he was excellent.

It's hard to know how much a player like him is suffering from the breakdown in our structure and rhythm given the dislocation in our team with injuries, so I've cut him some slack. For example, one thing he did superbly in our run home last year was take on the marking role between the arcs. Now, he's done that in some games this year, but not consistently. Is that a function of unreliable ball movement, or patchy from from him, who knows?. And his goal kicking has been a bit off.

He still seems to be one of our few power runners, he does attack contests for a slight bloke, and as I said, he occasionally has a good marking day - but I think he should look at that Carlton game as the standard he should set.

As for Harry, I never understood those calls either. He's just a terrific team man and small defender - and without him, or Fox on occasions, playing that role, Ollie would be stuck playing lockdown, rather than having some license to run.

[Blood Fever]

There are too many too harsh on Hayward. Looked like he played full forward in the last quarter. Whilst there, kicked 1.1 and had a hand in another goal. In his up and down the ground role, we don't play through him up forward. When we do, he always looks dangerous.

[Ludwig]

Agreed- plus where would you fit him in? Wilbur needs to have a good look at himself and lift his game and put himself about a lot more. Horse kept picking him in his early days and we couldn’t understand why. It seems he’s a favourite and now our selectors have to get tough with an experienced player who is not contributing as much as he should. Young player like Errol puts him to shame! Come on Wilbur- up your game or play in the two’s.

I noticed a lot of criticism about Hayward this week. I watched the replay of the 1st quarter and couldn't find anything in particular to be critical about. He seemed to be covered by Brandon Starcevich, who had only 4 disposals and 1 mark for the game. Before I review the rest of the game, perhaps someone could point out to me some specifics I should look out for concerning Hayward.

Something missing from the dialogue this week are the calls to drop Cunningham, which had been persistent for weeks. What happened there? They seemed to have dried up.

[Scottee]

Much better effort - still lacked polish but fabulous intent and effort against a very good team. Loved Gus Sheldrick's 3rd qr, hope he gets the chance to show us more of the same.

AFL umpiring continues to push me to the brink of despair. The Florent decision was so obviously wrong that one can only assume the umpire involved doesn't understand the rules. How did we get to this point?

Watch a GF from the 1970s with one umpire officiating. Totally different game. Tackling to the ground a rarity or penalised. Very simple and ruthless enforcement of the rules.

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[Scottee]

Where's our old mate "The Bloods". He called Gus Sheldrick right from the start. He had 19 disposals and 2 goals in only 55% of game time. He has to keep his place. He has really good anticipation, game sense, disposal and goes straight at the footy.
Amartey might be a good forward option with his marking talents, but he is the best example of a ruck resting forward. He always impresses me when he goes on the ball. In the last quarter he played with real authority.

These are two very big positives to come out of the game. Sheldrick confirming the hype and Amartey looking very comfortable in his role and in form.

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[Roadrunner]

No. That won't do. He has the capability to kick a bag. He is out of form ATM. But he is not a back

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Agreed- plus where would you fit him in? Wilbur needs to have a good look at himself and lift his game and put himself about a lot more. Horse kept picking him in his early days and we couldn’t understand why. It seems he’s a favourite and now our selectors have to get tough with an experienced player who is not contributing as much as he should. Young player like Errol puts him to shame! Come on Wilbur- up your game or play in the two’s.

[wolftone57]

Not a bad idea Ludwig. He could be decent back there.

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No. That won't do. He has the capability to kick a bag. He is out of form ATM. But he is not a back

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[Blood Fever]

Don't know....I was surprised when he was though. He was annoying but I thought the banishment was a bit harsh. Bangalore too....or did he banish himself? I'm not sure what happened there.

Both of them were buggering up the forum.

[stevoswan]

Was he banished forever? Seems harsh if this was the case.

Don't know....I was surprised when he was though. He was annoying but I thought the banishment was a bit harsh. Bangalore too....or did he banish himself? I'm not sure what happened there.

[Kafka's Ghost]

If you weren't a party to internal club cogitations, I'd be asking what you were basing your bald assertion.
My thought was based on the way we stack the backline with attacking small defenders, the way we expend high value draft picks on attacking small defenders, the 8 game season our best/only lockdown defender had last year, and his deployment in a wide range of roles other than that of lockdown small defender.

Harry was injured for a large of last year, then couldn’t get back in to a team that was flying.
He’s a part of the leadership group. The club appreciates him, and it seems they have played him elsewhere to try and provide a bit experience in areas where we’ve been lacking this season. Of course, that’s only the observations of a supporter. Like all the other observations on this site.


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[Ruck'n'Roll]

The club certainly appreciates that role.

If you weren't a party to internal club cogitations, I'd be asking what you were basing your bald assertion.
My thought was based on the way we stack the backline with attacking small defenders, the way we expend high value draft picks on attacking small defenders, the 8 game season our best/only lockdown defender had last year, and his deployment in a wide range of roles other than that of lockdown small defender.

[Blood Fever]

Much better effort - still lacked polish but fabulous intent and effort against a very good team. Loved Gus Sheldrick's 3rd qr, hope he gets the chance to show us more of the same.

AFL umpiring continues to push me to the brink of despair. The Florent decision was so obviously wrong that one can only assume the umpire involved doesn't understand the rules. How did we get to this point?

I was at the game and right near the Florent decision. Initially waved play on and then blew the whistle. Embarrassing.

[rojo]

Thinking about the perceived lack of fitness as a reason for our fading in last quarters it is worth remembering that our teams are stacked with players who have not had many preseasons yet.

The VFL side of late has only had half a dozen or so players who have had more than one or two preseason trainings at AFL level. I was surprised to hear Arnold say how great it was not to have to work and go to training after work, and how he was enjoying being able to just focus on footy and training full time. On the other hand, some young players, Buller for example, spend some of their holidays doing extra fitness training with professional trainers. My expectation and hope is that we see Buller back in the VFL team for more games!

[Auntie.Gerald]

Out from best 22:

McLuggage
Zorko
Rich
Gunston
Gardner

[Auntie.Gerald]

When it has been described by Chris Fagan that they were completely in control last qtr…and Brisbane were very disappointed with their 3.8 last qtr and felt they should have won by 6 goals plus.

I wonder how we interpret that summary?

We’re we at actually lucky to only loose by only 16pts?

We’re Brisbane much more in control than we gave credit for?

Would some of us supporters cracked it if we lost by 30 pts plus?