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    Go for it Scottie..replace Koch with Stepanovic that may upset Mr 80

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meg View Post
    Support for the academies from Luke Bruest.

    "Hawthorn's NSW product Luke Breust believes player academies such as those held by Sydney and Greater Western Sydney are a vital pathway for players in the state to make it to the AFL."

    Breust said players from his home state had a better chance now of finding their way onto an AFL list than when he was a junior.

    ''There's a few local boys from back home who are in the Giants Academy. They really enjoy it and think it's great for their development to get away from Temora and into Sydney, and have access to quality coaches and resources that can help better their game,'' Breust said.

    Read more: Hawthorn's Luke Breust hails easier path for NSW players
    Deja vu all over again. In the COLA flap the only informed and disinterested people to speak were Mitch Morton and Andrejs Everitt. Neither ex-player had any reason to take the Swans' corner and both thought the only problem with COLA was that it wasn't enough.


    Extraordinary how the southern clubs held a secret meeting with the AFL to fix up the northern clubs. Like a bunch of consigliere dividing up the spoils. Will leave a bad taste for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goswannies View Post
    When you say "recently", you mean over half a decade ago? The article was from Dec 2008
    Yes that was were the irony came in well I assume that was the purpose of the original poster. My purpose was to highlight that McWhiner and co have been keen to target non AFL talent in NSW for quite a while with some obvious success

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockOfHair View Post
    Deja vu all over again. In the COLA flap the only informed and disinterested people to speak were Mitch Morton and Andrejs Everitt. Neither ex-player had any reason to take the Swans' corner and both thought the only problem with COLA was that it wasn't enough.


    Extraordinary how the southern clubs held a secret meeting with the AFL to fix up the northern clubs. Like a bunch of consigliere dividing up the spoils. Will leave a bad taste for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockOfHair View Post
    Extraordinary how the southern clubs held a secret meeting with the AFL to fix up the northern clubs. Like a bunch of consigliere dividing up the spoils. Will leave a bad taste for a long time.
    Excellent description.

    n. pl. con?si?glie?ri (-r)

    An adviser or counselor, especially to a capo or leader of an organized crime syndicate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockOfHair View Post
    Deja vu all over again. In the COLA flap the only informed and disinterested people to speak were Mitch Morton and Andrejs Everitt. Neither ex-player had any reason to take the Swans' corner and both thought the only problem with COLA was that it wasn't enough.


    Extraordinary how the southern clubs held a secret meeting with the AFL to fix up the northern clubs. Like a bunch of consigliere dividing up the spoils. Will leave a bad taste for a long time.
    Good point. You'd like to think that the AFL, in conducting their "review" would talk to disinterested parties along with, or even instead of, those with huge COI. It is supposed to be a review rather than a witch hunt. Or is it?
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    And more floating of ideas for change in the academy draft bidding.

    "SHIFTING the father-son and academy bidding process closer to the NAB AFL Draft is an option for the AFL as it considers how best to strengthen the contentious system.

    Currently the bidding for father-son prospects and nominated players from the northern clubs' academies is slated for October 6, the Monday morning before the trade period starts and almost eight weeks before the draft.

    Holding it nearer to the draft, when clubs have a more accurate feel for how the order will pan out and have access to psychology reports of all players from the Draft Combine, could encourage such bids to more closely reflect how the market rates the player."

    Father-son, academy bidding could make a move - AFL.com.au

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    Father-son, academy bidding could make a move - AFL.com.au.

    It's getting more complicated by the minute.

    Going on the above article, it looks like a high probability we will have to bundle some picks to secure Heeney, then next year Mills.

    I like the idea of live pick trading during the draft, and trading of future picks, as they do in the NFL etc, it makes for an intriguing draft day.

    You need very clever, quick thinking, well researched recruiters. They need to have all possible scenarios covered.
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    AFL Equalisation Committee meets to discuss the issues:

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    or maybe he's just calling his best mate to join him:

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    Good to see they're both wearing their Collingwood ties. Kochie's tie doesn't have as many stripes as Eddie's because he hasn't earned them yet.

    But Eddie will show him what's required:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie koala View Post
    Father-son, academy bidding could make a move - AFL.com.au.

    I like the idea of live pick trading during the draft, and trading of future picks, as they do in the NFL etc, it makes for an intriguing draft day.
    They would need to extend the time taken to make each pick then. Currently it's a couple of minutes(?) with a possible request for extra time whereas in the NBA which is being used as the comparison, they get 5 minutes for each pick.

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    Ludwig, very naughty, trolling Matt80. Also very funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie koala View Post
    Father-son, academy bidding could make a move - AFL.com.au.

    It's getting more complicated by the minute.
    Firstly, the Father/Son and the academy draft processes may look similar, but are really quite different in substance. The FS selection requires no investment alternative for the club, so it's just the historical and emotional attachment to a given club, and can rightly be pegged at something close to fair value.

    For a club to support an academy it becomes a matter of value for money and weighing up alternative investments. The northern clubs agreed to the current draft process, being similar to the FS system, because they have the flexibility to invest in the system in proportion to what they think they can get out of the system. If they get nothing, then they will invest nothing. There is no incentive for a club to develop players for another club.

    There really is no solution to this if the AFL is going down the path of reducing the incentives to the academy clubs. It will just end up with the AFL picking up the tab for the academies, with the likelihood of fewer juniors choosing to go down the AFL development route. The player pool will be smaller and the northern clubs will bleed players to clubs back in their home towns.

    Despite the enormous amount of on field success the Swans have had in recent years, they still have membership and game attendance closer to a mid-table club from Victoria, at best. As for the other 3 northern clubs, they will really be up against it unless they can develop and retain a reasonable amount of home grown talent and have on field success as well. I don't know how the AFL hope to achieve this if they are already planning to cut into the one meager program that might go some way to achieving this.

    The AFL can play it as they like, but it is clear that the growth of the game in NSW and Queensland will be proportional to the amount of incentives given to the northern clubs. And the other clubs will just have to accept that or they can kiss their $200 million investment goodbye.

    As for the current lot of players coming through the academies, it is not only the investment of the clubs and their sponsors at stake, but also that of the hundreds of parents who paid for their kids to join these academies with the hope, however slim, that their son may one day play for the local AFL team. Is the AFL going to let them down as well? Do they deserve to be compensated for having been misled?

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