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  • connolly
    Registered User
    • Aug 2005
    • 2461

    #151
    Originally posted by Xie Shan
    Um...the leadership group has a say in contract negotiations now? I don't like the sound of that!
    Industrial democracy? Dangerous.
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    • Old Royboy
      Support Staff
      • Mar 2004
      • 879

      #152
      I?m no Davis lover, but it saddens me that nobody from Roos down has been able to find the correct buttons to push that will get Davis motivated. In any industry, the sacking of an employee is also a reflection on the failure of management to get the employee to perform. It hurts that a bloke who would be in our top five talent wise looks like being fired for non performance.

      Roos is a bloody good coach, but I reckon he would be the first to admit that he has failed with Nick Davis.

      The Swans have a reputation of being one of the best clubs at getting optimum performance from their players ? are any other clubs going to have the confidence that they can succeed where the Swans have failed? Maybe one will, but Davis? trade value has diminished to the extent that all the Swans could expect in return is an empty KFC box. Retirement or second tier footy looks more likely.
      Pay peanuts get monkeys

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      • AnnieH
        RWOs Black Sheep
        • Aug 2006
        • 11332

        #153
        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        The glee that seems to be associated with this potential outcome appears rather distasteful, especially coming from some people...
        ... but not from me. After all, it's expected.
        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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        • AnnieH
          RWOs Black Sheep
          • Aug 2006
          • 11332

          #154
          Originally posted by Old Royboy
          I?m no Davis lover, but it saddens me that nobody from Roos down has been able to find the correct buttons to push that will get Davis motivated. In any industry, the sacking of an employee is also a reflection on the failure of management to get the employee to perform. It hurts that a bloke who would be in our top five talent wise looks like being fired for non performance.

          Roos is a bloody good coach, but I reckon he would be the first to admit that he has failed with Nick Davis.

          The Swans have a reputation of being one of the best clubs at getting optimum performance from their players ? are any other clubs going to have the confidence that they can succeed where the Swans have failed? Maybe one will, but Davis? trade value has diminished to the extent that all the Swans could expect in return is an empty KFC box. Retirement or second tier footy looks more likely.

          Toy-boy-roy, you can't blame Roosey; and I wouldn't say that Roosey failed.

          Davo failed.

          He didn't do what was expected of him ... he didn't even do the minimum of what was expected of him.

          I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but our game doesn't involve as many "stoppages" as it used to - the gameplan has changed somewhat. IF you can't accept that there are changes and go with the flow, you're going to be left behind. It happens everywhere - not just on the footy field.
          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #155
            Introducing assumptions into evidence m'lahd...
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • AnnieH
              RWOs Black Sheep
              • Aug 2006
              • 11332

              #156
              Originally posted by NMWBloods
              Introducing assumptions into evidence m'lahd...
              Assuming that I'm gleeful, or assuming Davo is a failure??

              Isn't it making assumptions saying that Roosey failed???

              FFS - he bought us home a PREMIERSHIP. Rocket didn't do that.
              Barass didn't do that.

              In no way is Roosey a failure.
              Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
              Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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              • hammo
                Veterans List
                • Jul 2003
                • 5554

                #157
                Originally posted by Annie Haddad

                In no way is Roosey a failure.
                Has he not failed in stopping Goodes from hitting opposing players in the head?
                "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #158
                  Originally posted by hammo
                  Has he not failed in stopping Goodes from hitting opposing players in the head?
                  For Annie this will be one of those confusing messages that sets up an internal contradiction that causes her head to explode. Like a robot in an Asimov novel.
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • swansrule100
                    The quarterback
                    • May 2004
                    • 4538

                    #159
                    this article isnt anything exciting we didnt know

                    only interesting bit is the contract, which even as a fan of nick i am happy to see we arent committed til 2011 on a guy not getting a gig.
                    Theres not much left to say

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                    • AnnieH
                      RWOs Black Sheep
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 11332

                      #160
                      Originally posted by hammo
                      Has he not failed in stopping Goodes from hitting opposing players in the head?
                      They were just accidents.
                      I'm pretty god-damn sure Goodesy doesn't do it on purpose.
                      He has, on more than several occasions, busted through the pack without taking anyone out - memorably, where he scored a goal from 60m out.

                      Besides, you can't compare someone who has played 204 firsts games in a row (toeing the company line) to someone who has played 2 firsts games in a season (and still wont toe the company line).
                      Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                      Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                      • swansrule100
                        The quarterback
                        • May 2004
                        • 4538

                        #161
                        Originally posted by connolly
                        You are obviously referring to Davo's manager Thommo. Now there's a man who has experienced the lot. Punch ups with team mates, relocations, one man media campaigns extolling his virtues, contract terminations and dummy spits. Just the boy for the job. It was obvious during the St Kilda game Davis had no future at the club. The Geelong performance underlined it. His departure frees up much needed cash under the cap. And most importantly there is some justice. ROK can be retained on a fair remuneration. Thats fair. A bloke who gives it his all, works his backside off every match, gets a pay increase while his former fellow half forward flanker who barely raised a sweat gets shown the door. Hopefully Davo can recover his "confidence" with the Dockers or the Dees. As long as it somewhere faaaaarrrr away with another club. Win/ Win I say.
                        get your hand off it
                        Theres not much left to say

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                        • RogueSwan
                          McVeigh for Brownlow
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 4602

                          #162
                          Originally posted by ORB
                          Roos is a bloody good coach, but I reckon he would be the first to admit that he has failed with Nick Davis.
                          We need to stop singling out Roos, why are the Reserves coach immune to this criticism?
                          Or is Roos just a title covering all support staff? I am not being faecious (sp?), genuinely would like to know.
                          "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                          • connolly
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 2461

                            #163
                            Originally posted by swansrule100
                            get your hand off it
                            So you don't think there is any relationship between the greatly improved payments in a contract for a genuinely outstanding footballer and the cutting of an under-performing, over-confident, 15 minutes of fame pretender? It might have escaped your attention but Andrew Ireland's little chat with the Kid Terrific occurred at the same time as ROK's contract negotiations were underway. Thinking music plays . . .
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                            • swansrule100
                              The quarterback
                              • May 2004
                              • 4538

                              #164
                              Originally posted by connolly
                              So you don't think there is any relationship between the greatly improved payments in a contract for a genuinely outstanding footballer and the cutting of an under-performing, over-confident, 15 minutes of fame pretender? It might have escaped your attention but Andrew Ireland's little chat with the Kid Terrific occurred at the same time as ROK's contract negotiations were underway. Thinking music plays . . .

                              its nothing to do with that, i think you talk rubbish is what i am getting at. glad we can free up cap for bevan, hes the star of this team


                              as for davis, im not saying he is a star but hes hardly the under performing flop you speak of in fact compared to the love of your life id say he is well ahead.
                              Theres not much left to say

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                              • hammo
                                Veterans List
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 5554

                                #165
                                Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                                They were just accidents.
                                I'm pretty god-damn sure Goodesy doesn't do it on purpose.
                                "You hope the week on the sideline will have an impact on Adam because clearly what we are saying to him as coaches is not getting across."


                                Accidents or not, Goodes is ignoring the coach's instructions. I think it's a big stretch to say Davis is ignoring instructions.

                                In Davis case, Roos (and perhaps the leadership group - their tentacles seem to extend everywhere) has set benchmarks and Davis hasn't been able to meet them. Everything I've read and heard would indicate Davis is taking the advice on board and trying to reach the benchmark.
                                "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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