Folou better kick than Shaw

[Bas]

Jesse,
I look at this way. While I do deplore some of the overtly negative posting by some RWO members I will always defend their right to have those views. It's why a site like RWO needs people like yourself to be challenging those views otherwise all we have is a site like Big Footy which is just full of whingers and not a very happy place to visit.

Also with those posters who really piss you off with their views and will never see reason put them on your ignore list. It'll make your vists much more pleasant.

Has someone been complaining ?????

No matter how bad they are, they are still better than 99% of players not playing AFL.

[Reggi]

Given the financial disparity between the codes - I am not positive but pretty sure that AFL rules allow you to have non pre registered AFL players i.e. someone from Rugby outside of the salary cap

IS it something we should consider? Pyke is going OK is it worth another try or likely to just be a wasted investment?

Personally I think few players could make the change

[Jesse Richards]

Jesse,
I look at this way. While I do deplore some of the overtly negative posting by some RWO members I will always defend their right to have those views. It's why a site like RWO needs people like yourself to be challenging those views otherwise all we have is a site like Big Footy which is just full of whingers and not a very happy place to visit.

Also with those posters who really piss you off with their views and will never see reason put them on your ignore list. It'll make your vists much more pleasant.

Thanks for the reply. Big Al. I guess what I was trying to do was signal an anticipated reduced presence and giving some reasons, the main one being the amount of time taken from other things.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, the list of people I don't want to read is very short - even when some people harp on about how wonderful x is and how bad y is, I find that they make quite good sense at other times.

[Big Al]

Thanks Jewels, Primmy, Big Al and others who deplore the negativity towards our players.

I find myself wondering if I enjoyed my Swans watching more before I joined RWO - at first it was exhilarating to have so much more info and opinion, but when my favourite players are criticised ad infinitum and I am constantly reviewing my notes, matches and stats to check opinions about them or other issues, I wonder at the time it takes to do all this as conscientiously as I have been doing. I have fallen into the trap of doing hours of internet research into such topics as sports head injuries, when Hanners' contract ends, who said what, when, why - and often to refute (or sometimes confirm) a post that a RWOer has flung in without checking facts and stats. Plus religiously reading every post relevant to the Swans, often rereading some several times.

In my short time in RWO I have learnt to ignore some people's posts, especially the broken records about some players, both pro and con, and to check my understanding of what is going on - particularly when challenged re my opinions. Often I have changed my mind about who should be included in the team - usually based on pure footy analysis by the posters who leave personalities out of it.

But is all this time and effort worth it for me? Do I enjoy my footy more because of it? No, not really. What am I not doing when I am so obsessive about RWO? This last is the clincher. There are more important things in my life than, gulp, the Swans, and these have been neglected over the last few months. The negativity towards the players I can do without, quite happily, but no doubt I'll miss the rest of it, should I be able to break free from my obsessive compulsive RWOing and only check in occasionally.

Jesse,
I look at this way. While I do deplore some of the overtly negative posting by some RWO members I will always defend their right to have those views. It's why a site like RWO needs people like yourself to be challenging those views otherwise all we have is a site like Big Footy which is just full of whingers and not a very happy place to visit.

Also with those posters who really piss you off with their views and will never see reason put them on your ignore list. It'll make your vists much more pleasant.

[Jesse Richards]

Thanks Jewels, Primmy, Big Al and others who deplore the negativity towards our players.

I find myself wondering if I enjoyed my Swans watching more before I joined RWO - at first it was exhilarating to have so much more info and opinion, but when my favourite players are criticised ad infinitum and I am constantly reviewing my notes, matches and stats to check opinions about them or other issues, I wonder at the time it takes to do all this as conscientiously as I have been doing. I have fallen into the trap of doing hours of internet research into such topics as sports head injuries, when Hanners' contract ends, who said what, when, why - and often to refute (or sometimes confirm) a post that a RWOer has flung in without checking facts and stats. Plus religiously reading every post relevant to the Swans, often rereading some several times.

In my short time in RWO I have learnt to ignore some people's posts, especially the broken records about some players, both pro and con, and to check my understanding of what is going on - particularly when challenged re my opinions. Often I have changed my mind about who should be included in the team - usually based on pure footy analysis by the posters who leave personalities out of it.

But is all this time and effort worth it for me? Do I enjoy my footy more because of it? No, not really. What am I not doing when I am so obsessive about RWO? This last is the clincher. There are more important things in my life than, gulp, the Swans, and these have been neglected over the last few months. The negativity towards the players I can do without, quite happily, but no doubt I'll miss the rest of it, should I be able to break free from my obsessive compulsive RWOing and only check in occasionally.

[Kirkari]

It wouldn't be wrong to say that 99.99% of people who post on RWO love the club, the jumper and the players. Most would wear their heart on their sleeve and do easily get frustrated with poor performance.

As a result of the poor performance, some posts criticise that performance articulately and other posts are not articulated that well. But in the end, it really doesn't matter. I wouldn't get too worried about the criticisms the players receive on this forum. I'm sure some of the criticism's the players would receive from the coaching staff would be more direct.

I think the players are thrilled to have fans who are engaged enough to post on a forum like this, positive or negative. I don't think they give a rats for our reviews of their performance, but love that we want to spend the time we're not watching the games on critiquing them.

IMO, Rhyce Shaw is outstanding overall, week after week. He's keeping my Supercoach team alive! I miss his running bounces from last year, but only for the nerve-wracking entertainment value.

[Mr Magoo]

I love how we have these threads bagging someone who has played the game for many many years and their kicking accuracy. What you seem to be forgetting is they are doing this in a game that is being played at extremely high pace and with little space or time to execute. If you went to the park and did a kick to kick with shaw, kirk or any of these guys I can guarantee they would hit you on the chest every time.

Now Folau is another matter. If he has a pure rugby league background then I can guarantee that his kicking skills are probably atrocious. Having played Aussie rules , soccer and both rugby codes growing up, the worst foot skills were always ruugby league players and they are never taught how to kick. Due to the greater amount of kicking required , rugby union players normally are taught to kick from a young age but my experience in playing rugby league is that little time is spent on foot skills work. I would be very interested to see his real progress and would be amazed if he is a profficient AFL level kick in less than three years.

[Dalai Lama]

Monkey Mis-fire

The Rhesus Monkey runs into the open goal to seal the game - and sprays it horribly ........!

[Chilcott]

Absolutely BINGO Jewels. I feel like I'm reading a Richmond board most of the time.
By all means, if criticism is due, give it, but detail your reasons for it instead of just out and out sledging of a player (drop X and make sure he never plays again), or a selection, or a coaching style or whatever. And if you're proven wrong, accept it instead of still trying to justify what you said, which is like being at the bottom of a hole and digging deeper.
When we beat Essendon this week, most of the baggers and naysayers here (how many declared our season over on the match thread when the Hawks were 16 points up in the last quarter?) will be talking about how we're back on track and how they never lost faith.

There are a large number of people on here, like me, who have been supporters for a long time and lived and supported the Swans through the dark ages of the early 90s (and early 80s for some) and we kept the faith and stayed positive. What we're getting now has been a bloody good ride for nearly 15 years and it's a ride that is likely to continue a fair bit longer.

Rant over, I'll go back to reading quietly and swearing under my breath at the negativity on here.

It wouldn't be wrong to say that 99.99% of people who post on RWO love the club, the jumper and the players. Most would wear their heart on their sleeve and do easily get frustrated with poor performance.

As a result of the poor performance, some posts criticise that performance articulately and other posts are not articulated that well. But in the end, it really doesn't matter. I wouldn't get too worried about the criticisms the players receive on this forum. I'm sure some of the criticism's the players would receive from the coaching staff would be more direct.

[BeeEmmAre]

I can handle the truth Sharpy, don't worry about that, and don't think I didn't get upset or disappointed about how we're going right now. I've been in England for a month and we haven't won since I left.
The truth is, at the time we were still 5-4 and but for one straighter kick we would be 6-4. Even at 5-5 it's hardly panic stations. If we get to 5-9 or 6-10 or something like that, then people can start considering the season might be over. At 5-5 we're still in the 8 and if that's season over, we might as well all pack up right now and hand another Cup to Geelong.

[sharp9]

Absolutely BINGO Jewels. I feel like I'm reading a Richmond board most of the time.
By all means, if criticism is due, give it, but detail your reasons for it instead of just out and out sledging of a player (drop X and make sure he never plays again), or a selection, or a coaching style or whatever. And if you're proven wrong, accept it instead of still trying to justify what you said, which is like being at the bottom of a hole and digging deeper.
When we beat Essendon this week, most of the baggers and naysayers here (how many declared our season over on the match thread when the Hawks were 16 points up in the last quarter?) will be talking about how we're back on track and how they never lost faith.

There are a large number of people on here, like me, who have been supporters for a long time and lived and supported the Swans through the dark ages of the early 90s (and early 80s for some) and we kept the faith and stayed positive. What we're getting now has been a bloody good ride for nearly 15 years and it's a ride that is likely to continue a fair bit longer.

Rant over, I'll go back to reading quietly and swearing under my breath at the negativity on here.

....but the season was over when we were down by 16 points against the Hawks...if you can't handle the truth.....some people get upset when our team plays below its best....guilty.

[Primmy]

Couldn't have said it better.

Whoohoo, go Jewels!!

[Big Al]

Our kick ins are the most frustrating part of our game and whilst I hate being negative, I don't think Roosy ever adapted to the quick kick in rule when it came in.
There are so many DAMN experts on this site who have to have someone to blame every time we lose, this week it's Shaw - "So surprised we picked him up", "He lost Collingwood a final", "He gave the game to the hawks" etc, etc, if that bloody kick had sailed through he'd be the freaking hero!
Just accept that we lost the DAMN game and get on with it. The negativity and plain old nastiness toward our players on this site is just plain dreadful.

Couldn't have said it better.

[BeeEmmAre]

Our kick ins are the most frustrating part of our game and whilst I hate being negative, I don't think Roosy ever adapted to the quick kick in rule when it came in.
There are so many DAMN experts on this site who have to have someone to blame every time we lose, this week it's Shaw - "So surprised we picked him up", "He lost Collingwood a final", "He gave the game to the hawks" etc, etc, if that bloody kick had sailed through he'd be the freaking hero!
Just accept that we lost the DAMN game and get on with it. The negativity and plain old nastiness toward our players on this site is just plain dreadful.

Absolutely BINGO Jewels. I feel like I'm reading a Richmond board most of the time.
By all means, if criticism is due, give it, but detail your reasons for it instead of just out and out sledging of a player (drop X and make sure he never plays again), or a selection, or a coaching style or whatever. And if you're proven wrong, accept it instead of still trying to justify what you said, which is like being at the bottom of a hole and digging deeper.
When we beat Essendon this week, most of the baggers and naysayers here (how many declared our season over on the match thread when the Hawks were 16 points up in the last quarter?) will be talking about how we're back on track and how they never lost faith.

There are a large number of people on here, like me, who have been supporters for a long time and lived and supported the Swans through the dark ages of the early 90s (and early 80s for some) and we kept the faith and stayed positive. What we're getting now has been a bloody good ride for nearly 15 years and it's a ride that is likely to continue a fair bit longer.

Rant over, I'll go back to reading quietly and swearing under my breath at the negativity on here.

[Jewels]

If you're going to bag Shaw, at least get it right. It isn't his long kicks that are bad, they are usually well weighted, well directed and clever. It's his short kicks that tend to miss the target. He also doesn't turn it over nearly as often as people think. A kicking efficiency of 78% (not that that is the be-all and end-all) and a non-free-kick clanger (NFKC) count of 14 (when talking about kicking skills, you have to take out clangers counted as free kicks such as in the back, etc), despite leading the club for kicks with 145, is quite impressive. That's one every 10.35 kicks. Compare that to:

Goodes - 23 NFKCs, 126 kicks, 1 clanger every 5.5 kicks.
Jack - 16 NFKCs, 123 kicks, 1 clanger every 7.7 kicks.
McVeigh - 15 NFKCs, 122 kicks, 1 clanger every 8.1 kicks.
Hannebery - 9 NFKCs, 82 kicks, 1 clanger every 9.1 kicks.
Malceski - 15 NFKCs, 144 kicks, 1 clanger every 9.6 kicks.

I'm sure I could go on. There is a bias against Shaw, probably carried over from his time at Collingwood. He did make a couple of bad blues on the weekend kicking out, but it was nothing to do with kicking ability. He was trying to create run, bit off more than he could chew, and put pressure on himself. Occasionally he does that. He's forgiven, though, because he gives us so much the rest of the time.

Our kick ins are the most frustrating part of our game and whilst I hate being negative, I don't think Roosy ever adapted to the quick kick in rule when it came in.
There are so many DAMN experts on this site who have to have someone to blame every time we lose, this week it's Shaw - "So surprised we picked him up", "He lost Collingwood a final", "He gave the game to the hawks" etc, etc, if that bloody kick had sailed through he'd be the freaking hero!
Just accept that we lost the DAMN game and get on with it. The negativity and plain old nastiness toward our players on this site is just plain dreadful.

You have to take the good with the bad though. Shaw provides MUCH more good than bad, and his bad isn't even that obvious. It's more like people expect him to screw up, and so when he does, everybody says "Haha, told you so!", when he actually does it relatively rarely for somebody who gets his amount of possession. LRT used to suffer the same fate (and still does with some people).