Big Whitey

[Dosser]

It wouldn't matter what Jesse does yoyu won't give him any credit. You just don't like him. I think the bloke has worked very hard to get to where he is today. He was one of the reasons we won so well on the weekend. He put his body on the line all the time. He knocked out of the pack twice that caused goals. He passed four times that caused scores. He kicked three goals. What the @@@@ do you want him to do!!!

Ah Wolfie. I really do enjoy reading your posts because you are insightful and thoughtful. For this reason I am assuming that you were responding to the wrong post? I praised Jesse (read it again) and commented that he needs to be more physical. If he was then he would be a gun ff and we would never have gone after Tippett in the first place.

[RogueSwan]

IMO you can't really compare the two as Reid has been asked to play a high CHF position whereas White was playing as more a goal square to 50 arc forward, dare I a say, ala a Full-forward?
Without a Tippo (apparently that is what the Boys call him) option you could easily see both of them playing in the same team. With it pretty likely that Tippo will play next week it will be interesting to see if White is pushed further up the ground to play more of a roaming role.

[stellation]

Sam has also played up the ground, or in some cases at the other end of the ground, and has performed quite well.
Sam as you've said has kicked most of his goals against dud sides.
Jesse has kicked his against one dud side, and struggled, as did Sam against a good side (although, the Hawks were hot to trot that night.).

I still think Sam has more positives than Jesse, but both are not showing their wares often enough.

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I expect Sam to come in over Jesse, I'm not really suggesting he wouldn't and I can perfectly understand why he would. I think he's generally played well since the Lions game.

I don't think there's a conspiracy against Jesse from the coaching staff, but I do think his performances are judged with more scrutiny than others by them and certainly by those on here. Not to suggest that you're doing it, but as a minor perception thing I think your comment highlights it to some extent; when discussing their output as key forwards we are quick to highlight that Sam has been playing away from the goal square, but we don't really touch on Jesse's forward production (in the Hawks game, for instance, and each run he had last year) also having to factor in time spent in the ruck.

Even with playing up the ground I do think Sam has spent enough time close to goals that he probably would have been our top (if not, top 3) forward 50 target so far this year.

[ScottH]

Sam has also played up the ground, or in some cases at the other end of the ground, and has performed quite well.
Sam as you've said has kicked most of his goals against dud sides.
Jesse has kicked his against one dud side, and struggled, as did Sam against a good side (although, the Hawks were hot to trot that night.).

I still think Sam has more positives than Jesse, but both are not showing their wares often enough.

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[stellation]

For heavens sake White had one good game, ONE GOOD GAME, he is yet to prove himself as anything more then a flat track bully. As Barry said, any one of us would have looked good in the forward line on Saturday with the quality of ball the mids were delivering.
White one of the reasons we won so well - give me a break and as for Reid being lucky to get back, well I'm sorry that's just laughable, White will probably hold his spot till Mumford is back but then he's gonnnnnnnnne.

Belittling his game by suggesting he's not a reason we won and saying he's a flat track bully is a little unfair when you're highlighting that Sam should come straight back in. If kicking goals in a big win makes you a flat track bully, Sam has only kicked 7 goals from 9 games as a key forward this year and 5 of those have come from 2 games you could argue put him in flat track bully territory- against GWS and the Lions.