The Real Cost of Buddy?

[Ludwig]

Word is that Frawley has already been offered 800 k to change clubs, so that's the new base.

[bloodsbigot]

It's been reported by the Herald Sun that Melbourne defender James Frawley wants $800,000 a year, in free agency. This guy is a one time All Australian and I believe other key defenders in the comp such as Harry Taylor, Josh Gibson, Brian Lake, Ben Reid and probably Ted Richards have shown themselves to be better defenders than James over the last three years.

When you consider that Buddy is costing us on average $1,111,000 a year, it?s clear what a good value get that Buddy is for the Swans. James will play some good games, but Buddy will provide between 10-15 games a year for the Swans like he did against the Crows.

Gotta start with a high price I guess when it comes to negotiation. Otherwise he'll have nothing to work with.

The cost of Buddy will be small in hindsight. I'm starting to believe what the swans did was extremely well-planned. Wait until inflation sets in... then we will have gotten Buddy for peanuts. Each year, the salary cap seems to go up. Our younger players will have nothing at all to worry about.

[Matt80]

It's been reported by the Herald Sun that Melbourne defender James Frawley wants $800,000 a year, in free agency. This guy is a one time All Australian and I believe other key defenders in the comp such as Harry Taylor, Josh Gibson, Brian Lake, Ben Reid and probably Ted Richards have shown themselves to be better defenders than James over the last three years.

When you consider that Buddy is costing us on average $1,111,000 a year, it?s clear what a good value get that Buddy is for the Swans. James will play some good games, but Buddy will provide between 10-15 games a year for the Swans like he did against the Crows.

[swantastic]

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hahahahahahahah funny boy

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Time gets away from us as we get older Scott...

and scott is bloody old

[Triple B]

Interesting.
I remember a few threads from years ago, where we were all bemoaning the fact that we didn't win in April too often.
Going by those years, it could have been 2005 and 2006.

Time gets away from us as we get older Scott...

[ScottH]

buddy is a good player..but hes no good for the swans and way over priced

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[ScottH]

Consistent with what I wrote, the Swans are typically slow starters. I wouldn't however say they always perform badly in April:

They were undefeated and four from four in April 1998 and April 2012. They also only lost one game out of four in April in 1996, 2004, 2007, 2008 (with a draw), 2010, and 2013.

Interesting.
I remember a few threads from years ago, where we were all bemoaning the fact that we didn't win in April too often.
Going by those years, it could have been 2005 and 2006.

[swantastic]

buddy is a good player..but hes no good for the swans and way over priced

[ShockOfHair]

Swans are notorious slow starters. Witness:

1996. Eventually Grand Finalists. At Round 2 was 0-2 with a percentage of 48, and coming 3rd last on the ladder.
1999. Eventually played finals. At Round 5 was 1-4 with a percentage of 66, and coming 3rd last on the ladder.
2003. Eventually Preliminary Finalists. At Round 4 was 1-3, and in the bottom 5. For the Round 5 game against Melbourne they were 20 points behind at three quarter time.
2005. Eventually Premiers. At Round 6 was 2-4, and in the bottom 5. For the Round 7 game against Essendon they were 16 points behind at three quarter time.
2006. Eventually Grand Finalists. At Round 4 was 1-3, and in the bottom 5.

I think until we got GWS as our Round 1 bunnies we'd gone two or three years losing to the Saints in the season opener. 2011-12 were outliers. Normal service just resumed.

[Triple B]

2005. Eventually Premiers. At Round 6 was 2-4, and in the bottom 5.....

...and playing an ugly brand of football that will never win a flag.

[top40]

Consistent with what I wrote, the Swans are typically slow starters. I wouldn't however say they always perform badly in April:

They were undefeated and four from four in April 1998 and April 2012. They also only lost one game out of four in April in 1996, 2004, 2007, 2008 (with a draw), 2010, and 2013.

[ScottH]

Swans are notorious slow starters. Witness:

1996. Eventually Grand Finalists. At Round 2 was 0-2 with a percentage of 48, and coming 3rd last on the ladder.
1999. Eventually played finals. At Round 5 was 1-4 with a percentage of 66, and coming 3rd last on the ladder.
2003. Eventually Preliminary Finalists. At Round 4 was 1-3, and in the bottom 5. For the Round 5 game against Melbourne they were 20 points behind at three quarter time.
2005. Eventually Premiers. At Round 6 was 2-4, and in the bottom 5. For the Round 7 game against Essendon they were 16 points behind at three quarter time.
2006. Eventually Grand Finalists. At Round 4 was 1-3, and in the bottom 5.

I know.
But it doesn't make me feel any better about our start.
April has always been a losing month for us in the past.

[top40]

From the position we are in, 2-3 would be an ok result. But from the draw we've had, in my opinion its far from a pass mark. Despite our ongoing crappy injury story, I'd say 95% of people on here would of expected us to be at worst 3-2 after 5 rounds, probably 4-1 would represent a pass mark for most before the season started. Hawthorn are missing plenty of troops, including a large part of their defence, but they are still at 2-0 and looking reasonable.

Swans are notorious slow starters. Witness:

1996. Eventually Grand Finalists. At Round 2 was 0-2 with a percentage of 48, and coming 3rd last on the ladder.
1999. Eventually played finals. At Round 5 was 1-4 with a percentage of 66, and coming 3rd last on the ladder.
2003. Eventually Preliminary Finalists. At Round 4 was 1-3, and in the bottom 5. For the Round 5 game against Melbourne they were 20 points behind at three quarter time.
2005. Eventually Premiers. At Round 6 was 2-4, and in the bottom 5. For the Round 7 game against Essendon they were 16 points behind at three quarter time.
2006. Eventually Grand Finalists. At Round 4 was 1-3, and in the bottom 5.

[annew]

You're kidding, right?

You sound like one of those pathetic Hawthorn supporters who say they are a better team without Buddy to make themselves feel better. Hawthorn may well have continued success without Buddy and we may find our mojo again without Mummy, but it's folly to suggest they are better sides without them...

Yeah I agree with you, not disappointed we got Buddy but sad mummy was he price to pay. Lamb Everitt and white not big losses.

[Triple B]

Mummy is short term loss but if we had a fully fit list, I cant fit him in....

You're kidding, right?

You sound like one of those pathetic Hawthorn supporters who say they are a better team without Buddy to make themselves feel better. Hawthorn may well have continued success without Buddy and we may find our mojo again without Mummy, but it's folly to suggest they are better sides without them...