Alleged incident at hotel on Sunday night

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  • crackedactor 01
    Regular in the Side
    • Jun 2020
    • 846

    #76
    So firstly in was a fight with a African Gang, then it was sexual assault (rape), then it was drug possession (cocaine), then it was inappropriate touching, then it was a 30 year old official being interviewed by police, Now its the players will face suspensions for breaking curfew hours. This sounds like a setup.

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8357

      #77
      Originally posted by crackedactor 01
      So firstly in was a fight with a African Gang, then it was sexual assault (rape), then it was drug possession (cocaine), then it was inappropriate touching, then it was a 30 year old official being interviewed by police, Now its the players will face suspensions for breaking curfew hours. This sounds like a setup.
      Inappropriate touching is highly likely to be classified as sexual assault. The African Gang rubbish is of the same level as the dildo throwing nonsense - some try hard @@@@***s trying to be clever and funny.

      And I suspect reading between the lines the drug element is correct and a key part of what might drive very heavy sanctions from the club. The language used in the statement from the club would not be being used if the only issue with code of conduct/expectations around behaviour was solely breaking curfew hours.
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9389

        #78
        In that the In their official club statement, the Swans stated that the welfare of their AFLW athletes and staff is a priority, acknowledging "the impact these allegations have on our female athletes, staff members and the wider community".

        This would appear to be an admission of some kind of misbehavior or sexual abuse of women by players involved, even before any
        statement from the police.

        It would intimate that something serious had taken place, else it would be quite a foolish admission of guilt before the facts were known.

        I think we should be prepared for the fallout from this incident to break the Swans for at least a decade to come.

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        • mcs
          Travelling Swannie!!
          • Jul 2007
          • 8357

          #79
          Originally posted by Ludwig
          In that the In their official club statement, the Swans stated that the welfare of their AFLW athletes and staff is a priority, acknowledging "the impact these allegations have on our female athletes, staff members and the wider community".

          This would appear to be an admission of some kind of misbehavior or sexual abuse of women by players involved, even before any
          statement from the police.

          It would intimate that something serious had taken place, else it would be quite a foolish admission of guilt before the facts were known.

          I think we should be prepared for the fallout from this incident to break the Swans for at least a decade to come.
          They do however Ludwig use the word allegations - I think one of the few well established facts around this is the allegation involves misbehaviour towards women (in the best case scenario) or far worse (in the worse case). So I'm not really sure they are admitting to anything that isn't already established. No one has denied at any point that some form of 'incident' took place, and no one is suggesting it is not a 'serious' matter either I don't think.

          Those elements are well enough established to use the wording in the statement without it having any implications beyond reflecting what is clearly already out there.
          "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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          • UUaswan
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2024
            • 1261

            #80
            Stand down for a week with fine, gives Vic police 2 weeks to come fwd with anything and then add if required to the sanction.

            Staying out late, was known to the club
            Drinking was known to the club

            Multiple men in a room with less women is the Predatory look they dont agree with and most definately why they have addressed the AFLW.

            BIG If, but if an SA charge isnt made, nothing else is illegal. Clearly not the required standard of behaviour but not unusual for the age group.

            Let them deal with partners and families like every other 20 something that makes a @@@@@ of himself.


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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9389

              #81
              What I'm saying is that it seems unnecessary to make any statement of that nature when we are only at the allegation stage of the process. It's the kind of statement that would be made only if those making the statement know that something offensive to women has taken place with a high degree of certainty, such as admissions by players, that have yet to become public.

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              • UUaswan
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2024
                • 1261

                #82
                Originally posted by Ludwig
                What I'm saying is that it seems unnecessary to make any statement of that nature when we are only at the allegation stage of the process. It's the kind of statement that would be made only if those making the statement know that something offensive to women has taken place with a high degree of certainty, such as admissions by players, that have yet to become public.
                Stripper/Women in a room with multiple men
                Predatory look they dont like

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                • SwanSand
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Aug 2020
                  • 608

                  #83
                  It seems like it is going to a sanction of atleast 4 - 6 weeks. Hit this thing on the head otherwise the club will be a goner for many years to come.

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                  • Daisi
                    Senior Player
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 1604

                    #84
                    I'm just popping in to say that I think the statement from the club was appropriate and necessary. I'm a long time member, I'm a bit shell shocked by this. I want to support the club, but I can't support an organisation that doesn't react strongly to SA allegations. So I'm glad the club has issued this statement. I think sanctions are necessary and it will be interesting to see what they are.

                    I'm going to add a little bit that may seem irrelevant. I often go to games at the SCG by myself and I've always felt safe and welcome there as a rather small woman. It's a great night out with a pretty good atmosphere. This situation has made me reconsider whether it really is safe to be there alone. That's probably irrational, but human. The club's statement has eased that trepidation a bit.

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                    • imuninformedtwo
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2024
                      • 1029

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Ludwig
                      In that the In their official club statement, the Swans stated that the welfare of their AFLW athletes and staff is a priority, acknowledging "the impact these allegations have on our female athletes, staff members and the wider community".

                      This would appear to be an admission of some kind of misbehavior or sexual abuse of women by players involved, even before any
                      statement from the police.

                      It would intimate that something serious had taken place, else it would be quite a foolish admission of guilt before the facts were known.

                      I think we should be prepared for the fallout from this incident to break the Swans for at least a decade to come.
                      Hence my post earlier, that the whole situation is beyond grim. This list is being blown up, culturally at least. The flag window is gone.

                      And between the cultural reset clearly needed, and the fact we’re gonna have to rebuild with diminished access to the academy and the compromised draft due to Tassie, it’s going to be a long, slow grind.

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                      • Roadrunner
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2018
                        • 1563

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Daisi
                        I'm just popping in to say that I think the statement from the club was appropriate and necessary. I'm a long time member, I'm a bit shell shocked by this. I want to support the club, but I can't support an organisation that doesn't react strongly to SA allegations. So I'm glad the club has issued this statement. I think sanctions are necessary and it will be interesting to see what they are.

                        I'm going to add a little bit that may seem irrelevant. I often go to games at the SCG by myself and I've always felt safe and welcome there as a rather small woman. It's a great night out with a pretty good atmosphere. This situation has made me reconsider whether it really is safe to be there alone. That's probably irrational, but human. The club's statement has eased that trepidation a bit.
                        Daisi, thank you for your post- it’s important for us blokes to listen to a woman’s perspective!
                        After being shellshocked and overwhelmed by anger an disbelief, I agree with everyone saying that the sanctions should be very stiff, showing zero tolerance if it is shown that SA took place. Our season may be gone, but at least the club can recover from this as having done the right thing.

                        However, at this stage we don’t know the facts of what exactly took place so until the police reveal their findings, the Club can only sanction the players on the rules broken. Of course, if the players confess to what is being alleged, even to a lesser degree, then their punishment should and will reflect this.

                        Our season is done but let’s not assume we can’t recover from this- I’m confident we can recover and even emerge stronger as a Club by living up to our high standards and our Bloods Culture!

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                        • Go Swannies
                          Veterans List
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 5702

                          #87
                          Sydney Swans players Riley Bice, Nick Blakey, Isaac Heeney, James Jordon and Chad Warner will not be considered for selection for the remainder of the 2026 AFL Season.

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                          • dejavoodoo44
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 9804

                            #88
                            Pretty well the ban that I wanted, but I'm not celebrating. Oh well, over to you, Angus, Caiden, Patrick, Ned, Harry, etc.

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                            • longmile
                              Crumber
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 3478

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Go Swannies
                              Sydney Swans players Riley Bice, Nick Blakey, Isaac Heeney, James Jordon and Chad Warner will not be considered for selection for the remainder of the 2026 AFL Season.
                              Cya 2026

                              I understand this is in relation to staying out late and "bringing the game into disrepute" rather than the alleged sexual assault?

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                              • Go Swannies
                                Veterans List
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 5702

                                #90
                                Originally posted by longmile

                                Cya 2026

                                I understand this is in relation to staying out late and "bringing the game into disrepute" rather than the alleged sexual assault?
                                We respect there is an ongoing investigation by Victoria Police and the actions we have taken today are independent of this.

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